A few very nice people have written encouraging me to try again and so I have to explain why it’s not that simple. I have had six miscarriages total. Four of them in the past 3 years. These seem to be implantation failures (I miscarry about a week after discovering I’m pregnant) and they don’t know why I have them. My hormones are all pretty normal, I have biphasic charts. My luteal phase is short (12 days), which is the low side of normal and my cycle day 21 progesterone test was 6.5. This has earned me a diagnosis of luteal phase defect.
While treating myself I used vitex (chasteberry), red raspberry leaf, red clover, nettles, dong quai and licorice root. I also took ProGreens, one of those mega green drinks with everything in it. And I was using natural progesterone. While using this treatment, I conceived and miscarried three times. This earned me the diagnosis of “habitual abortion”, although I prefer “recurrent pregnancy loss.”
After my last miscarriage, I had a battery of tests to figure out why this might be happening. All of my tests came back normal. All of Brett’s tests came back normal.
This is when we pulled out the big guns.
There are two theories to luteal phase defect. One is that the luteal phase needs to be supported, thus the progesterone use. The other is that the luteal phase is weak because ovulation isn’t strong enough. Thus the vitex and the clomid. Vitex and clomid are both supposed to boost ovulation. Clomid boosted my ovulation but I didn’t get pregnant once in the four months I was on it. Clearly the herbal treatments worked more effectively.
However, there is no treatment that guarantees that I will have a baby. I have lost a lot of babies. A friend of mine who has lost 12 (!) babies has been very helpful in getting me to understand my feelings around this. If you have lost a lot of babies, then pregnancy is no longer the only goal. The goal is to STAY pregnant. Getting pregnant no longer seems like fun; it seems like dread. I know I can get pregnant, in fact with those herbal treatments I was GREAT at getting pregnant. I got pregnant three times in six months. Had the first of those pregnancies worked out, I would have a three month old in my lap. (My miscarriage anniversary is tomorrow.) It’s difficult for people who haven’t had a history of recurrent miscarriage to understand how this changes the playing field.
So here’s the thing: I could see the naturopath and pay her $45 and I could spend another $50 to $100 on treatment. I could start meticulously keeping track of my cycle again. I could become embroiled in the whole thing again and maybe I would get (and stay) pregnant or maybe I wouldn’t or maybe I would get pregnant and have another miscarriage. There is NO GUARANTEE that I would get a baby out of it. None. Zero. I don’t rejoice when I get a positive test, I get scared. I get sad. I get anticipatory sadness. I start hyperventilating and I’m afraid to go to the bathroom and check my underwear. With good reason because I keep miscarrying.
I’m not trying to beg for sympathy but I’m trying to make it clear why I’m hesitating to get back into treatment. It would be different if I just needed to get pregnant but do you know what my statistical chances are of miscarrying again? About 47%. I know that outsiders generally see that 53% number but Brett and I are kinda hung up on the other side of it. Especially because my grief — and all the effort around getting pregnant — suck up a lot of my emotional energy. Is this fair to keep doing to Noah?
Our life is pretty good. We’ve talked about adoption but don’t think we could do this until Noah is much older because we want his participation and he’s really not interested now. Meanwhile, there is the possibility that we’re only meant to have one child. Otherwise why would we keep losing those babies??? I wish I didn’t feel like a second-class citizen for having only one child. Like I’m settling. But maybe I’m not settling; maybe I’m accepting. Maybe this is how things are meant to be. I don’t know.
I have two kids and a delightfully odd husband, Brett. My children are Noah (born to us in 1997) and Madison (born to her first mom, Pennie, in 2004 and brought to our family through a domestic, open adoption). They are my inspiration and also the reason I don't get more done around here.
I'm a writer and sometimes I get published, which is a nice thing. I write for joy, I write for money and when I'm very lucky, both things happen at the same time. My work appears in national publications including Yoga Journal, Disney's Family.com, Utne, Wondertime, Brain Child and Salon. Currently I am working on a book about my daughter's adoption and seeking representation for the proposal. I also own Smart Cookie Communications with my husband.
Roni
September 30th, 2002 at 11:41 am
I know they only mean well, but I think I understand your desire to stop trying and get on with life. I know it’s hard for you, but I won’t push you to keep trying. I saw a gf on Thurs night who was explaining a similar thing. She planned to have just one child. She made that decision, but people still made her feel like a second class citizen for it.
Dawn, you aren’t one. You’re a great mom & perhaps the gods allow you one child cause Noah needs you all to himself.
As my mom keeps telling me, things happen for a reason. We don’t know why quite yet…but they do.
fillyjonk
September 30th, 2002 at 12:41 pm
I’m unmarried and childless, so a lot of this is puzzling to me.
why would someone make you feel like a second-class citizen because you have “only” one child?*
I live in a very “traditional” town in a very “traditional” state and I don’t notice people trying to make me feel like I’m “second class” for not marrying and having children by now. Oh, there are a few people who think I’m a freak of nature, but they aren’t really trying to do the “second class citizen” thing.
there are a lot of environmentalist groups where encouraging couples to have only one child is one of their stated goals - to reduce the risks of overpopulation.
in fact, I know some people with numerous children where the women complain that they’re made to feel “second-class” because they are perceived as “breeders”.
Your reasons for not “trying” more seem perfectly logical to me. And your reasons for waiting on adoption (that was a question I had: why not adopt? but I figured it was too personal to ask) makes sense to me.
*Unless it’s just a general human-nature problem, wanting to feel good by making other people feel bad.
MostlyMama
September 30th, 2002 at 12:59 pm
I go back and forth, personally, about having one child or having more. I don’t think as having one child as being *second-class-citzen like* at all. for myself, at times I have thought of it as being wonderfully balanced. Half me, half she. (Of course this is just in my head but it sounds good.) There are so many reasons for the size of family to have and they are all individual and personal-not up for judgement. I didn’t know that you had lost that many babies. If they would just stick…ugh.
Dawn
September 30th, 2002 at 3:26 pm
Fillyjonk, I think the difference is that 1) I’m hanging out with moms, and 2) I’m feeling really sensitive to any implied criticism. So some of this is likely in my head but some of, too, is part of playground politics. About a year ago I told a woman I know with three kids that I was thinking of eventually going back to school to get my masters. (She got an advanced degree as a mom and I was looking for input from her about doing this.) I said that I wanted to look into becoming a counselor with a specific interest in helping parents come to terms with parenthood. She said, “I would *never* listen to what anyone with less than three kids had to say about parenthood.” Ouch.
fillyjonk
September 30th, 2002 at 4:01 pm
Ahhh…in other words, snobbery (on the part of other people).
**sigh**. People suck sometimes.
mudra
October 1st, 2002 at 12:51 am
Wow, that is really stupid logic. I personally might be reluctant to take parenting advice from someone who had NO kids, but I really don’t think the number of kids matters at all.
I think there may be a few different issues at work here, and it sounds like you’re pretty conflicted about them. Can you just “sit on” the decision for a while, give yourself a few months’ break from the infertility roller-coaster you’ve been on, and wait for an answer to reveal itself? I’m not sure about the specifics of your particular spiritual beliefs, but maybe ask for some sort of divine guidance to help you make the decision? With time you might decide that you just don’t want to do it again, or you might decide that it really is something you feel is essential to you. Either way, don’t let other people influence your decision, because it’s not their choice to make.
eli
October 1st, 2002 at 7:41 am
You know sometimes, having two children, i feel i know LESS. I feel overwhelmed sometimes to supply two individuals needs, wants and desires. To spend enough time with each. To help them grow together in their relationship with one another. I thought i was “DA MOM” with one, but now…heh! I SO wish there was more tact wrt people giving *advice*, especially when it’s not being asked for
Tricia
October 1st, 2002 at 8:37 pm
*(*(*hug*)*)*
I really feel for you. I have 2 children now. The first one happened BAM! within a few months, this after being told by three doctors that I would probably never be able to get pregnant. Then I had a miscarriage. My second happened after over 3 1/2 years of trying, and two tries with Clomid (I got pregnant in the 3rd month of taking Clomid the second time around.) Then I took Clomid again, got pregnant the first month, had a miscarriage before I was 5 weeks pregnant. I was really afraid to try again after that.
I don’t really know what my point is. I just wanted to reach out and say that, while I cannot even pretend to comprehend your pain, I DO understand a bit, and having one child does NOT make you any less a mother. Did not that one child need you to come into being? Does he not still need you for his mother? My sons are 7 years apart, and in many ways I almost wish I could go back to having just one, to being able to give my undivided attention. But I also understand that driving desire for another child, not because you CAN have it, but in a way because you CAN’T. Does that make any sense? I am positive you will make the right decision for YOU and your family, and I will only offer my support of that decision, and I would never think of telling you that one decision is more right than the other for you. Take care of yourself and your family. Love the site, btw.
Shana
October 1st, 2002 at 11:42 pm
I’ve had only 3 miscarriages, but I’m at the same place right now. Scared to get pregnant again. I’ve got the luteal phase defect diagnosis too after a round of testing following this latest miscarriage, and my ob is pretty sure I’ll do OK with Clomid and progesterone, but…. no guarantees, of course. There are no guarantees. And I can’t get my mind around that, that I may be condemning my children to die by the simple act of conceiving them.
llkj
February 13th, 2003 at 10:16 pm
adsd
cristi
February 22nd, 2003 at 1:02 pm
Have any of you with luteal phase defect tried a combination of clomid and premarin? It got me pregnant twice (carried to full-term, no complications). And we tried a multitude of other things that did not work–just clomid; clomid with IUI; pergonal/hcg with and without IUI. But both times it was the clomid/premarin combo using ovulation predictors and regular intercourse.
Angel
March 31st, 2003 at 9:46 am
I just found you - because I’ve lost 3 consecutive pregnancies.
I am *trying* to keep my head on straight, but it’s hard because I *have* 2 healthy kids (11 and 12) from my first marriage.
I’ve been remarried for nearly 7 years, and I *thought* I would just never get pregnant, then X-mas eve 2001 I found out I was pregnant, a month later I found out I had a missed miscarriage. Then I got pregnant in May 2002, and by June, I’d had another miscarriage. The I got pregnant again in December 2002, and Jan 2003 had *another* miscarriage.
Now I am pregnant again and I dread it. I want to have ababy with my husband, but I am scared to death. It’s almost like I keep *hoping* my period is late.
Now how messed up is that?
Namaste,
Angel
K. Mills
April 21st, 2004 at 2:26 pm
Try reading this book, Supernatural Childbirth by Jackie Mize.