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	<title>Comments on: Valuing openness in adoption</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/adoption/valuing-openness-in-adoption/#comment-6890</link>
		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment carries the underlying (or not so underlying) tone that adoptive parents, by nature of a cultural role, are always "sensible."  Over and over we see that families are simply families, human beings are simply human beings.  There are birthparents who must deal with unsensible adoptive parents -- with no options if they want contact with their children.  There are parents (adoptive or non-adoptive) who must deal with unsensible parties:  birthparents, grandparents, in laws, etc.  There are unsensible siblings and other "unsensible" people who have a deep connection with our children.  And???  We work through it for the sake of our kids, so long as there is not abuse, of course.

A side note:  I know of several instances over years wherein harmful adoptive parents were encouraged to remain a part of children's lives, while the birthparents were simultaneously outed.  (I believe the norm is that most adoptive parents are great parents, as most birthparents are, too ... and mention this only to underscore a too-often employed double standard when it comes to this issue.)   I find the term "works out" an odd one.  What does working out look like?  No conflict?  No feelings of loss?  No confusion?  No messy humannness?  As if that only occurs within the context of an open adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment carries the underlying (or not so underlying) tone that adoptive parents, by nature of a cultural role, are always &#8220;sensible.&#8221;  Over and over we see that families are simply families, human beings are simply human beings.  There are birthparents who must deal with unsensible adoptive parents &#8212; with no options if they want contact with their children.  There are parents (adoptive or non-adoptive) who must deal with unsensible parties:  birthparents, grandparents, in laws, etc.  There are unsensible siblings and other &#8220;unsensible&#8221; people who have a deep connection with our children.  And???  We work through it for the sake of our kids, so long as there is not abuse, of course.</p>
<p>A side note:  I know of several instances over years wherein harmful adoptive parents were encouraged to remain a part of children&#8217;s lives, while the birthparents were simultaneously outed.  (I believe the norm is that most adoptive parents are great parents, as most birthparents are, too &#8230; and mention this only to underscore a too-often employed double standard when it comes to this issue.)   I find the term &#8220;works out&#8221; an odd one.  What does working out look like?  No conflict?  No feelings of loss?  No confusion?  No messy humannness?  As if that only occurs within the context of an open adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen aka mamagigi</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/adoption/valuing-openness-in-adoption/#comment-6777</link>
		<dc:creator>Gretchen aka mamagigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Dawn. There's nothing to add really -- that's how spot on you are.

Well, OK, I could chime in with how frustrating it is when people say similar things to me about our situation with M's first mom. I have to believe it comes from being uninformed. Which, of course, comes right back to me -- because it's got to be up to me, up to my husband, to better explain things to these people who are in our lives thinking these things. Even if these are folks more on the outskirts, if you will: colleagues, neighbors two blocks down or even an extended family member we see once a year. It's a continuing process, conversation even.

I try to take a wee bit of comfort in knowing that every conversation with, for example, my 85 year old grandmother about M's first mom isn't going to be as "aware" as I want it to be. But the thing is, we're having the conversations. And each time we do it's further proof to me how much she loves M and is willing to learn. And sometimes, sometimes ...  that's everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Dawn. There&#8217;s nothing to add really &#8212; that&#8217;s how spot on you are.</p>
<p>Well, OK, I could chime in with how frustrating it is when people say similar things to me about our situation with M&#8217;s first mom. I have to believe it comes from being uninformed. Which, of course, comes right back to me &#8212; because it&#8217;s got to be up to me, up to my husband, to better explain things to these people who are in our lives thinking these things. Even if these are folks more on the outskirts, if you will: colleagues, neighbors two blocks down or even an extended family member we see once a year. It&#8217;s a continuing process, conversation even.</p>
<p>I try to take a wee bit of comfort in knowing that every conversation with, for example, my 85 year old grandmother about M&#8217;s first mom isn&#8217;t going to be as &#8220;aware&#8221; as I want it to be. But the thing is, we&#8217;re having the conversations. And each time we do it&#8217;s further proof to me how much she loves M and is willing to learn. And sometimes, sometimes &#8230;  that&#8217;s everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Riderone</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/adoption/valuing-openness-in-adoption/#comment-6769</link>
		<dc:creator>Riderone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Something else this person said to me, 'Your child is still very young … the verdict is by no means in yet on how well this is going to work.'"  

Honestly, what a silly thing to say. As if everything "works out" in non-adoptive families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Something else this person said to me, &#8216;Your child is still very young … the verdict is by no means in yet on how well this is going to work.&#8217;&#8221;  </p>
<p>Honestly, what a silly thing to say. As if everything &#8220;works out&#8221; in non-adoptive families.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin O'</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/adoption/valuing-openness-in-adoption/#comment-6768</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin O'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brava!  To the post and the first comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brava!  To the post and the first comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Munchkin's Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/adoption/valuing-openness-in-adoption/#comment-6767</link>
		<dc:creator>Munchkin's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the connotation that the majority of mothers who place aren't sensible. Augh. I'm so tired of the stereotypes. But, of course, I'm sure saying, "Augh" makes me UNsensible. Or something. 

Anyway, what you described is much like any other aspect of parenting. Of course, you want the best for your child in the long run. But who hasn't done something in the hear and now because it worked and you were only concentrating on what worked at that point in time. For example, allowing your kid to stay up late one night when family was over. Or bribing your kid to be quiet so you can finish checking out at the grocery store. Or bought them a special treat for no reason because you were away at the store and you thought, "Kiddo would like that?" Or allowed them to crawl into bed with you on the night of a thunderstorm even though you're normal not all about co-sleeping. Or ...

The list goes on.

Parents make decisions on the fly, all the time, for their children. There is a greater purpose in parenting, which you work towards on the whole but you really just get there by the seat of your pants. No plans stay firm in parenting. Things change. People change. Kids are supposed to change. Likewise, when it comes to open adoption, you accept the ebb and flow of the relationship and your lives apart and together and make decisions as your child grows and changes. If your child didn't grow and change, you would be worried!

I'm just so tired of the naysayers who come up with really lame-based arguments. No, no one can predict the future. If we could predict said future my guess is that less mothers would place their children. They'd just look in a magic ball and say, "Ohp! My kid will turn out okay! So, forget that idea." Adoptive parents don't have that magic ball either. 

Cold medicine speaking. Holla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the connotation that the majority of mothers who place aren&#8217;t sensible. Augh. I&#8217;m so tired of the stereotypes. But, of course, I&#8217;m sure saying, &#8220;Augh&#8221; makes me UNsensible. Or something. </p>
<p>Anyway, what you described is much like any other aspect of parenting. Of course, you want the best for your child in the long run. But who hasn&#8217;t done something in the hear and now because it worked and you were only concentrating on what worked at that point in time. For example, allowing your kid to stay up late one night when family was over. Or bribing your kid to be quiet so you can finish checking out at the grocery store. Or bought them a special treat for no reason because you were away at the store and you thought, &#8220;Kiddo would like that?&#8221; Or allowed them to crawl into bed with you on the night of a thunderstorm even though you&#8217;re normal not all about co-sleeping. Or &#8230;</p>
<p>The list goes on.</p>
<p>Parents make decisions on the fly, all the time, for their children. There is a greater purpose in parenting, which you work towards on the whole but you really just get there by the seat of your pants. No plans stay firm in parenting. Things change. People change. Kids are supposed to change. Likewise, when it comes to open adoption, you accept the ebb and flow of the relationship and your lives apart and together and make decisions as your child grows and changes. If your child didn&#8217;t grow and change, you would be worried!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just so tired of the naysayers who come up with really lame-based arguments. No, no one can predict the future. If we could predict said future my guess is that less mothers would place their children. They&#8217;d just look in a magic ball and say, &#8220;Ohp! My kid will turn out okay! So, forget that idea.&#8221; Adoptive parents don&#8217;t have that magic ball either. </p>
<p>Cold medicine speaking. Holla.</p>
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