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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2009/08/27/rethinking-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-21458</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Although… if I could wave a magic wand and pool the resources that flow to those efforts and re-dedicate them to public schools, I absolutely would.&quot;

Really? How would you go about doing that? I mean, would you just reassign someone&#039;s library card, or would you put the parents in the classroom, or what? The &quot;resources&quot; that go into homeschooling, like the resources in other schooling, come in a lot of guises. In the last week alone, for example, my kids spent 2 days at a national park (with school-type activities designed by the parks system) attended a free professional performance of Henry IV, and participated in a co-op designing some of their group activities for the coming year.  The parks and theatre were free and open to all, but there weren&#039;t any school groups there. There wasn&#039;t a person in the co-op, for example, who wouldn&#039;t have been happy to have that conversation in the context of a school environment, but the school environment isn&#039;t open to mixed age groups. So how are you planning to &quot;pool and rededicate&quot; resources the system has already rejected?

Most of the teachers I had  in school wouldn&#039;t be able to get  a job there, now, and that&#039;s a loss the system created. The prestigious private prep schools hire teachers who wouldn&#039;t be permitted to teach in the public schools. Neither of my husbands, (my late husband, the statistician, and my current husband, the analytical chemist) both college professors at one time, are credentialed to teach a high school subject... except to people who can hire them outside the constraints of the public schools.

The public schools exclude resources ... how do you propose to put them back?

&quot; I’m a strong believer in public schools precisely because I want people to have choices. &quot;

 Which choices would those be? Charter schools ARE public schools, so discussion of those are moot. But people who have their kids in private school or home-education environments already pay for the public schools, as well. They don&#039;t get a rebate just because they don&#039;t use the services. Most of the parents I know with kids in public schools pay for education outside that environment, too. YMCA sports? Art lessons? Museum classes? Instrument lessons? Summer nature camp? What are those things except &quot;homeschooling?&quot; How many of these resources could be brought into the public school system, and why would that be a better place for them?

Despite the enormous dedication of teachers, the advocacy of administrators, and the support of the community, school systems continue to fail a sizable percentage of their students, by any measure chosen . I doubt that anyone knows for certain why that is. Pending that information, how would the application of  more &quot;resources&quot; help?  How would the removal of those resources from other venues be justifiable?

Here&#039;s the wand. Tell me what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Although… if I could wave a magic wand and pool the resources that flow to those efforts and re-dedicate them to public schools, I absolutely would.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? How would you go about doing that? I mean, would you just reassign someone&#8217;s library card, or would you put the parents in the classroom, or what? The &#8220;resources&#8221; that go into homeschooling, like the resources in other schooling, come in a lot of guises. In the last week alone, for example, my kids spent 2 days at a national park (with school-type activities designed by the parks system) attended a free professional performance of Henry IV, and participated in a co-op designing some of their group activities for the coming year.  The parks and theatre were free and open to all, but there weren&#8217;t any school groups there. There wasn&#8217;t a person in the co-op, for example, who wouldn&#8217;t have been happy to have that conversation in the context of a school environment, but the school environment isn&#8217;t open to mixed age groups. So how are you planning to &#8220;pool and rededicate&#8221; resources the system has already rejected?</p>
<p>Most of the teachers I had  in school wouldn&#8217;t be able to get  a job there, now, and that&#8217;s a loss the system created. The prestigious private prep schools hire teachers who wouldn&#8217;t be permitted to teach in the public schools. Neither of my husbands, (my late husband, the statistician, and my current husband, the analytical chemist) both college professors at one time, are credentialed to teach a high school subject&#8230; except to people who can hire them outside the constraints of the public schools.</p>
<p>The public schools exclude resources &#8230; how do you propose to put them back?</p>
<p>&#8221; I’m a strong believer in public schools precisely because I want people to have choices. &#8221;</p>
<p> Which choices would those be? Charter schools ARE public schools, so discussion of those are moot. But people who have their kids in private school or home-education environments already pay for the public schools, as well. They don&#8217;t get a rebate just because they don&#8217;t use the services. Most of the parents I know with kids in public schools pay for education outside that environment, too. YMCA sports? Art lessons? Museum classes? Instrument lessons? Summer nature camp? What are those things except &#8220;homeschooling?&#8221; How many of these resources could be brought into the public school system, and why would that be a better place for them?</p>
<p>Despite the enormous dedication of teachers, the advocacy of administrators, and the support of the community, school systems continue to fail a sizable percentage of their students, by any measure chosen . I doubt that anyone knows for certain why that is. Pending that information, how would the application of  more &#8220;resources&#8221; help?  How would the removal of those resources from other venues be justifiable?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the wand. Tell me what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2009/08/27/rethinking-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-21457</link>
		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also a public school teacher in a &quot;bad district&quot; (though in a fabulous school, if I do say so myself). There are many, many things I would change about public schooling in general, though I am extremely proud of what happens in my classroom and in my school every day. I don&#039;t have any anger toward homeschooling (or private schools, charter schools, etc..) Although... if I could wave a magic wand and pool the resources that flow to those efforts and re-dedicate them to public schools, I absolutely would. I&#039;m a strong believer in public schools precisely because I want people to have choices. We&#039;re a far cry from having real choice, but a public school teacher can dream, can&#039;t she? :) 

I would love to hear more about your reasons for homeschooling, your experiences with it, etc... Keep it coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a public school teacher in a &#8220;bad district&#8221; (though in a fabulous school, if I do say so myself). There are many, many things I would change about public schooling in general, though I am extremely proud of what happens in my classroom and in my school every day. I don&#8217;t have any anger toward homeschooling (or private schools, charter schools, etc..) Although&#8230; if I could wave a magic wand and pool the resources that flow to those efforts and re-dedicate them to public schools, I absolutely would. I&#8217;m a strong believer in public schools precisely because I want people to have choices. We&#8217;re a far cry from having real choice, but a public school teacher can dream, can&#8217;t she? <img src='http://www.thiswomanswork.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I would love to hear more about your reasons for homeschooling, your experiences with it, etc&#8230; Keep it coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I disagree about that. I don&#039;t think sahm or wahm &quot;dominate the conversation&quot; at all. Because the only place you might be seeing them do that is in the Blogoverse, and I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s a representative sample. It&#039;s sure not a public policy issue... if the politicos around here are familiar with any blogs, they aren&#039;t mommy ones. They mostly aren&#039;t even blogs written by women.

My non-homeschooling friends aren&#039;t sad about not homeschooling. My bottle-feeding friends aren&#039;t sad about not breast-feeding. My heterosexual friends aren&#039;t sad about not being gay. Most of the schooling parents I know are BEYOND excited to get their time back. The home-schoolers are busy overcommitting for a new year.  People who have choices generally make them, however much they may kvetch. 

So don&#039;t worry. You&#039;re still disenfranchised, lol. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I disagree about that. I don&#8217;t think sahm or wahm &#8220;dominate the conversation&#8221; at all. Because the only place you might be seeing them do that is in the Blogoverse, and I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s a representative sample. It&#8217;s sure not a public policy issue&#8230; if the politicos around here are familiar with any blogs, they aren&#8217;t mommy ones. They mostly aren&#8217;t even blogs written by women.</p>
<p>My non-homeschooling friends aren&#8217;t sad about not homeschooling. My bottle-feeding friends aren&#8217;t sad about not breast-feeding. My heterosexual friends aren&#8217;t sad about not being gay. Most of the schooling parents I know are BEYOND excited to get their time back. The home-schoolers are busy overcommitting for a new year.  People who have choices generally make them, however much they may kvetch. </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t worry. You&#8217;re still disenfranchised, lol. <img src='http://www.thiswomanswork.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rabi</title>
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		<dc:creator>rabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for this, dawn. 

I&#039;m a public school teacher in a high-poverty district and I always find myself feeling very guilty about my repressed anger at homeschooling. (whereas I don&#039;t feel particularly guilty about my anger at private schools. why is that?) I would definitely give up the majority of my income if it meant I could give so much personalized attention to each of my kids&#039; (by which I mean my students) learning. I&#039;m obviously biased but I can&#039;t think of many people in the country who need it more than they do. 

nonetheless I am rationally glad that some families are able to give their children the kind of functional / potentially wonderful / all-encompassing education that I would wish for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for this, dawn. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a public school teacher in a high-poverty district and I always find myself feeling very guilty about my repressed anger at homeschooling. (whereas I don&#8217;t feel particularly guilty about my anger at private schools. why is that?) I would definitely give up the majority of my income if it meant I could give so much personalized attention to each of my kids&#8217; (by which I mean my students) learning. I&#8217;m obviously biased but I can&#8217;t think of many people in the country who need it more than they do. </p>
<p>nonetheless I am rationally glad that some families are able to give their children the kind of functional / potentially wonderful / all-encompassing education that I would wish for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing holding me back from doing more than dreaming about homeschooling is fear of social workers and red tape, basically. Well, and that I have absolutely no idea what kind of child we might be parenting and what that child&#039;s needs and best academic situation might be. I just wish homeschooling were more of an option than it is, and yet I also feel kind of bad about saying that as if I could manage it if I just tried harder.... You&#039;re right that this is a messy topic. I&#039;m glad people can talk about it without getting defensive about their own choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing holding me back from doing more than dreaming about homeschooling is fear of social workers and red tape, basically. Well, and that I have absolutely no idea what kind of child we might be parenting and what that child&#8217;s needs and best academic situation might be. I just wish homeschooling were more of an option than it is, and yet I also feel kind of bad about saying that as if I could manage it if I just tried harder&#8230;. You&#8217;re right that this is a messy topic. I&#8217;m glad people can talk about it without getting defensive about their own choices.</p>
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