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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/07/27/about-choice/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I occasionally volunteer at a Christian-based crisis pregnancy center, but mostly I work in post-abortion counseling.

I haven't been in a Planned Parenthood clinic for many years, but when I was there, I was immediately referred for an abortion.  Adoption wasn't mentioned, and figuring out a way to work through my temporary life situation problems to make keeping the baby seem possible was not mentioned.

I am sure that there are PP clinics that provide hugely better options counseling than I got.  However, when I talk with women in the post-abortion counseling situation, I do often hear stories that are more like mine.

One of the things that concerns me the most is the limited degree of inquiry at abortion clinics (like Planned Parenthood) into whether an abortion seems like the only good idea because there is some background coercion going on...it could be as minimal as a boyfriend sulking and sighing, or as major as parents threatening to disown and kick out a pregnant teenager.

I can't agree with the statement that Planned Parenthood is "far from pro-abortion". Nationally, Planned Parenthood is the country's largest provider of abortions.  Performing abortions is a significant part of their annual income, on a national level (not all PP clinics provide abortions, though).

Saying that PP is "far from pro-abortion" would be like saying that a cosmetic surgeon is "far from pro-cosmetic surgery".

When I read about stories like the Mormon mother described above, I fully understand her feelings of desperation about having that baby, and her sense that she absolutely had to do that in order to in some way rescue the other children.

That sounds like a desperately disturbed home life, where things are that bad.

My observation in post-abortion ministry is that women who experience the most distress after an abortion are those women who believe it is a sin (as this Mormon woman did) and who believe that they are nevertheless forced to do it for the sake of their other children.

When a woman like this goes home from the abortion clinic, with those thoughts, memories, and new self-image as someone who had to kill her baby to save her other children, this is a woman who is going to need a lot of counseling.  A LOT.  If you don't agree with her assessment about the nature of the act of abortion, it might be hard for you to see this.  Therefore, you might be pleased at the fact that an abortion was available to her, and not play the movie forward about what her emotional life, self-image, and so on, will be in the days, weeks and months to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I occasionally volunteer at a Christian-based crisis pregnancy center, but mostly I work in post-abortion counseling.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been in a Planned Parenthood clinic for many years, but when I was there, I was immediately referred for an abortion.  Adoption wasn&#8217;t mentioned, and figuring out a way to work through my temporary life situation problems to make keeping the baby seem possible was not mentioned.</p>
<p>I am sure that there are PP clinics that provide hugely better options counseling than I got.  However, when I talk with women in the post-abortion counseling situation, I do often hear stories that are more like mine.</p>
<p>One of the things that concerns me the most is the limited degree of inquiry at abortion clinics (like Planned Parenthood) into whether an abortion seems like the only good idea because there is some background coercion going on&#8230;it could be as minimal as a boyfriend sulking and sighing, or as major as parents threatening to disown and kick out a pregnant teenager.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t agree with the statement that Planned Parenthood is &#8220;far from pro-abortion&#8221;. Nationally, Planned Parenthood is the country&#8217;s largest provider of abortions.  Performing abortions is a significant part of their annual income, on a national level (not all PP clinics provide abortions, though).</p>
<p>Saying that PP is &#8220;far from pro-abortion&#8221; would be like saying that a cosmetic surgeon is &#8220;far from pro-cosmetic surgery&#8221;.</p>
<p>When I read about stories like the Mormon mother described above, I fully understand her feelings of desperation about having that baby, and her sense that she absolutely had to do that in order to in some way rescue the other children.</p>
<p>That sounds like a desperately disturbed home life, where things are that bad.</p>
<p>My observation in post-abortion ministry is that women who experience the most distress after an abortion are those women who believe it is a sin (as this Mormon woman did) and who believe that they are nevertheless forced to do it for the sake of their other children.</p>
<p>When a woman like this goes home from the abortion clinic, with those thoughts, memories, and new self-image as someone who had to kill her baby to save her other children, this is a woman who is going to need a lot of counseling.  A LOT.  If you don&#8217;t agree with her assessment about the nature of the act of abortion, it might be hard for you to see this.  Therefore, you might be pleased at the fact that an abortion was available to her, and not play the movie forward about what her emotional life, self-image, and so on, will be in the days, weeks and months to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie B.</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/07/27/about-choice/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were actually a lot of inaccuracies and misperceptions in the recent Planned Parenthood article about the negative reaction of one prochoice woman who stumbled accidentally into a CPC, in this article (link below). Those of you who really want to be open-minded and know the truth on both sides of this issue might consider reading this:

&lt;a href="http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/06/one-womans-garbage-is-another-womans.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/06/one-womans-garbage-is-another-womans.html&lt;/a&gt;

Planned Parenthood told me 26 years ago nothing of my other options, but referred me to the local ab. clinic. I didn't have the same experience as Sster. I regret my abortion deeply now, after having denied this for about 22 years. I'll never have a daughter because of it.

The abortion industry in the U.S. has become a $1.3 billion a year giant, with Planned Parenthood, (PPFA) its largest provider. Planned Parenthood probably brought in AT LEAST between $193,744,400.00 and $217,229,560.00 just from abortions alone, out of $306.2 Million in clinic revenue. Abortions represented between 63.3% and 71% of their clinic revenue in 2003-04.

Planned Parenthood's Annual Report says they got $254.4 million in taxpayer money in 2003 alone; $240.9 million in 2002. And their "health services" included doing abortions in 93.5% of the pregnancies they saw that year. And that doesn't even count the number of babies possibly terminated by the Morning After Pills they dispensed 633,756 times last year. If even one-tenth of the MAPs dispensed aborted a baby, then thatâ€™s 63,375 more babies lost.

At least $500 million in taxpayer dollars went to help pay for all the salaries of those performing/supporting/lobbying for those 440,401 abortions in 2002-2003.

They are so very pro-abortion, because without abortion, they'd be out of business and out of some nice-paying jobs.

Sorry, folks. After reviewing their very own numbers from their annual reports (those links are contained in the above article), they do a good job painting themselves as "for women." I for one have experienced and seen the damage they've done to us women.

Don't believe me: believe this emergency room nurse: &lt;a href="http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/07/back-to-screw-abstinence-party-hosted.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/07/back-to-screw-abstinence-party-hosted.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were actually a lot of inaccuracies and misperceptions in the recent Planned Parenthood article about the negative reaction of one prochoice woman who stumbled accidentally into a CPC, in this article (link below). Those of you who really want to be open-minded and know the truth on both sides of this issue might consider reading this:</p>
<p><a href="http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/06/one-womans-garbage-is-another-womans.html" rel="nofollow">http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/06/one-womans-garbage-is-another-womans.html</a></p>
<p>Planned Parenthood told me 26 years ago nothing of my other options, but referred me to the local ab. clinic. I didn&#8217;t have the same experience as Sster. I regret my abortion deeply now, after having denied this for about 22 years. I&#8217;ll never have a daughter because of it.</p>
<p>The abortion industry in the U.S. has become a $1.3 billion a year giant, with Planned Parenthood, (PPFA) its largest provider. Planned Parenthood probably brought in AT LEAST between $193,744,400.00 and $217,229,560.00 just from abortions alone, out of $306.2 Million in clinic revenue. Abortions represented between 63.3% and 71% of their clinic revenue in 2003-04.</p>
<p>Planned Parenthood&#8217;s Annual Report says they got $254.4 million in taxpayer money in 2003 alone; $240.9 million in 2002. And their &#8220;health services&#8221; included doing abortions in 93.5% of the pregnancies they saw that year. And that doesn&#8217;t even count the number of babies possibly terminated by the Morning After Pills they dispensed 633,756 times last year. If even one-tenth of the MAPs dispensed aborted a baby, then thatâ€™s 63,375 more babies lost.</p>
<p>At least $500 million in taxpayer dollars went to help pay for all the salaries of those performing/supporting/lobbying for those 440,401 abortions in 2002-2003.</p>
<p>They are so very pro-abortion, because without abortion, they&#8217;d be out of business and out of some nice-paying jobs.</p>
<p>Sorry, folks. After reviewing their very own numbers from their annual reports (those links are contained in the above article), they do a good job painting themselves as &#8220;for women.&#8221; I for one have experienced and seen the damage they&#8217;ve done to us women.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t believe me: believe this emergency room nurse: <a href="http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/07/back-to-screw-abstinence-party-hosted.html" rel="nofollow">http://afterabortion.blogspot.com/2005/07/back-to-screw-abstinence-party-hosted.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peach</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/07/27/about-choice/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Peach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.. I think it's sad that the prolifers have co-opted the crisis centers. Unfortunately, it seems that when other crisis centers do sprout up, they... well, attract the unneeded kind of attention that gets workers and counselors and doctors hurt, not to mention the question of being able to provide safety for the patients. I think that is one major reason why there isn't equal coverage, so to speak, between the pro-life centers and the pro-choice centers (and yes, by pro-choice, I mean centers that present all options equally - including birth, adoption, and abortion).

I would support a full-on choice crisis center in a heartbeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.. I think it&#8217;s sad that the prolifers have co-opted the crisis centers. Unfortunately, it seems that when other crisis centers do sprout up, they&#8230; well, attract the unneeded kind of attention that gets workers and counselors and doctors hurt, not to mention the question of being able to provide safety for the patients. I think that is one major reason why there isn&#8217;t equal coverage, so to speak, between the pro-life centers and the pro-choice centers (and yes, by pro-choice, I mean centers that present all options equally - including birth, adoption, and abortion).</p>
<p>I would support a full-on choice crisis center in a heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/07/27/about-choice/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I proudly worked at a Planned Parenthood that provided abortions and I would love the opportunity to work there again.  Let me assure you that if we never had to do another abortion because women had ready access to affordable, safe birth control and/or support in continuing their pregnancies if they wanted to I would be dancing in the streets.  Planned Parenthood is one of the few organizations trying to prevent unplanned pregnancies so that women don't have to face a crisis pregnancy in the first place.

My mother was 17 when she had me (post-Roe) and never considered an abortion. She told me that knowing she was free to make the choice to parent (or not) helped her claim responsibility for her decision even when parenting was horrifically difficult.

I was working at PP when I had an unplanned pregnancy and I also chose to continue my pregnancy and raise my daughter.  Even though I really wanted to be a mama, it wasn't an easy and it turned my whole life upside down.  I thank my lucky stars every day that I had the resources available to make my decision free of coercion or outside pressure.  I only wish everyone else would be so lucky.

That is what choice is about.  Each of us having an opportunity to decide what is best for us, our children and our families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I proudly worked at a Planned Parenthood that provided abortions and I would love the opportunity to work there again.  Let me assure you that if we never had to do another abortion because women had ready access to affordable, safe birth control and/or support in continuing their pregnancies if they wanted to I would be dancing in the streets.  Planned Parenthood is one of the few organizations trying to prevent unplanned pregnancies so that women don&#8217;t have to face a crisis pregnancy in the first place.</p>
<p>My mother was 17 when she had me (post-Roe) and never considered an abortion. She told me that knowing she was free to make the choice to parent (or not) helped her claim responsibility for her decision even when parenting was horrifically difficult.</p>
<p>I was working at PP when I had an unplanned pregnancy and I also chose to continue my pregnancy and raise my daughter.  Even though I really wanted to be a mama, it wasn&#8217;t an easy and it turned my whole life upside down.  I thank my lucky stars every day that I had the resources available to make my decision free of coercion or outside pressure.  I only wish everyone else would be so lucky.</p>
<p>That is what choice is about.  Each of us having an opportunity to decide what is best for us, our children and our families.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/07/27/about-choice/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Planned Parenthood is not coercive, in my experience. I had an abortion there 10 years ago, and they discussed all my options with me. It was actually irritating, because I went in there knowing what I was going to do. I've always made sure I knew what my rights and options were regarding my reproductive health, long before this unplanned pregnancy, and my decision was solid. No wavering. It was tiresome to me to have to listen to them detailing my other options. But I appreciate that they did it, and gave no more weight to any one choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planned Parenthood is not coercive, in my experience. I had an abortion there 10 years ago, and they discussed all my options with me. It was actually irritating, because I went in there knowing what I was going to do. I&#8217;ve always made sure I knew what my rights and options were regarding my reproductive health, long before this unplanned pregnancy, and my decision was solid. No wavering. It was tiresome to me to have to listen to them detailing my other options. But I appreciate that they did it, and gave no more weight to any one choice.</p>
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