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		<title>By: shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/06/11/responding-to-a-comment/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure Illinois law is the same as Ohio's.  Mama Rose claims not to know who Nat's father is, but we aren't sure that she isn't trying to protect Nat (and the rest of the family) from the father, as she indicated that the possibilities were not good people.

She was not required to tell the possible fathers anything.  Our lawyer put and ad in the paper for any man who thinks he might be the father of Mama Rose's baby, born on blah blah etc. to register as a putative father.  After 90 days of nothing, his rights are cancelled.

Our friend David strongly objects to this.  He was almost an unknowing birth father years ago and found out right as the mother was losing her rights to the six-month old baby (because of neglect) he was only 19, but said he wanted the baby if it was going to go to the mother or to foster care otherwise, but cousins of the mother came forward to adopt and David signed off, since they were good friends.

But he loves children, raised one almost entirely alone (from 18 months onward) and would take Nat in a heartbeat if we needed him to.  He is not like the man or men Mama Rose thinks might have fathered Nat.  I'm glad the law leaves it to her discretion.  For every would-be great father who loses his rights unfairly, I'd bet there are 100 potentially dangerous ones who it would be better to avoid as much as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Illinois law is the same as Ohio&#8217;s.  Mama Rose claims not to know who Nat&#8217;s father is, but we aren&#8217;t sure that she isn&#8217;t trying to protect Nat (and the rest of the family) from the father, as she indicated that the possibilities were not good people.</p>
<p>She was not required to tell the possible fathers anything.  Our lawyer put and ad in the paper for any man who thinks he might be the father of Mama Rose&#8217;s baby, born on blah blah etc. to register as a putative father.  After 90 days of nothing, his rights are cancelled.</p>
<p>Our friend David strongly objects to this.  He was almost an unknowing birth father years ago and found out right as the mother was losing her rights to the six-month old baby (because of neglect) he was only 19, but said he wanted the baby if it was going to go to the mother or to foster care otherwise, but cousins of the mother came forward to adopt and David signed off, since they were good friends.</p>
<p>But he loves children, raised one almost entirely alone (from 18 months onward) and would take Nat in a heartbeat if we needed him to.  He is not like the man or men Mama Rose thinks might have fathered Nat.  I&#8217;m glad the law leaves it to her discretion.  For every would-be great father who loses his rights unfairly, I&#8217;d bet there are 100 potentially dangerous ones who it would be better to avoid as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/06/11/responding-to-a-comment/#comment-1066</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further thoughts....

Obviously, if my son had a relationship that resulted in a crisis pregnancy, and the woman chose not to tell him, there's a good chance he'd be reaping what he'd sown.  I don't want to stereotype women in crisis pregnancies.  If someone chose not to tell him, I'd assume she had a darn good reason.  But as a GRANDPARENT, I would want him to know.  That was the framework in which I was considering the question.

Also, at some level, short of out-and-out abuse, I would think my son had a right to know, no matter how crappy the relationship had become.

I just want to be clear that, in the abstract, I still have a lot of sympathy for the many tough decisions that women facing crisis pregnancies have to make, including decisions about what to tell their partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further thoughts&#8230;.</p>
<p>Obviously, if my son had a relationship that resulted in a crisis pregnancy, and the woman chose not to tell him, there&#8217;s a good chance he&#8217;d be reaping what he&#8217;d sown.  I don&#8217;t want to stereotype women in crisis pregnancies.  If someone chose not to tell him, I&#8217;d assume she had a darn good reason.  But as a GRANDPARENT, I would want him to know.  That was the framework in which I was considering the question.</p>
<p>Also, at some level, short of out-and-out abuse, I would think my son had a right to know, no matter how crappy the relationship had become.</p>
<p>I just want to be clear that, in the abstract, I still have a lot of sympathy for the many tough decisions that women facing crisis pregnancies have to make, including decisions about what to tell their partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/06/11/responding-to-a-comment/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  My first instinct, without any thinking at all behind it, is that I don't like Ohio's laws very much.  My cousin was a birth father, and he didn't live with his girlfriend or support her, but was emotionally invested in the pregnancy and in what happened to the child.  I have a son, and if someone he was with got pregnant, never told him, and placed the baby for adoption...well, it doesn't feel right.  I'm not saying we, as his family, would disagree with or try to interfere with her choice, but I think birth fathers do have rights.

I know that someone with more reflective reasoning could point out all the ways that this shouldn't be.  I'm sure there are solid legal reasons behind Ohio's laws.  And I'm glad they worked in yours, and Madison's, favor.  I wonder if I'm wise to comment, not thinking things through....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  My first instinct, without any thinking at all behind it, is that I don&#8217;t like Ohio&#8217;s laws very much.  My cousin was a birth father, and he didn&#8217;t live with his girlfriend or support her, but was emotionally invested in the pregnancy and in what happened to the child.  I have a son, and if someone he was with got pregnant, never told him, and placed the baby for adoption&#8230;well, it doesn&#8217;t feel right.  I&#8217;m not saying we, as his family, would disagree with or try to interfere with her choice, but I think birth fathers do have rights.</p>
<p>I know that someone with more reflective reasoning could point out all the ways that this shouldn&#8217;t be.  I&#8217;m sure there are solid legal reasons behind Ohio&#8217;s laws.  And I&#8217;m glad they worked in yours, and Madison&#8217;s, favor.  I wonder if I&#8217;m wise to comment, not thinking things through&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: katie e.</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswomanswork.com/2005/06/11/responding-to-a-comment/#comment-1064</link>
		<dc:creator>katie e.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in missouri you have to go to great lengths to notify and gain consent from the birthfather.  when i was first considering my adoption plan i was not yet willing to identify jonathan's birthfather.  in light of that, i was informed that an investigation would have to take place - classmates &#38; friends would be interviewed, ads would be put in the paper, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in missouri you have to go to great lengths to notify and gain consent from the birthfather.  when i was first considering my adoption plan i was not yet willing to identify jonathan&#8217;s birthfather.  in light of that, i was informed that an investigation would have to take place - classmates &amp; friends would be interviewed, ads would be put in the paper, etc.</p>
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