Two good questions & my answers
It’s late and I just had a difficult phone call so forgive any typos, ok? I’m writing this now because I thought it would get my mind off things and make it easier to fall asleep tonight. I’m really enjoying this homeschooling dialogue, by the way.
First Sarah said: One comment on this particular entry…all of your points on ‘the other side’ have to do with the experience of education rather than the learning aspect. Do you see any negatives from that perspective?
Well, you need to understand what our other options were when we first started homeschoooling. We live in a district that only recently came out of academic emergency. This was one of our original reasons to homeschool Noah (the other was that socially, we just didn’t think he was ready for full-day kindergarten so we decided to try homeschooling for a year). So I’d say that at least right now, I don’t see any negatives to the learning aspect since our city schools — and our neighborhood school in particular — simply aren’t very good. But then the longer we’ve homeschooled, our ideas about what’s important in learning have changed. I’ve never been a big fan of standardized tests and I’ve become increasingly dismayed by the way that No Child Left Behind has forced educators to depend more and more on test results to secure their funding. Basically, I feel that learning has been sacrificed for the cause of good test scores.
Now none of this means that I don’t have days of heinous insecurity. My friend B’s daughter goes to a school that sounds like it has a great writing program. She was talking about what her daughter (who is a year older than Noah and pretty brilliant) is discovering about the writing process and it’s stuff that I wish someone had told me when I was eight. I started thinking, “Would I have known to teach that to Noah next year for his third grade experience?” But just because a teacher is offering great information doesn’t mean that every child in the classroom is ready to hear it. Even if Noah were in that school and had access to those lessons doesn’t mean that he would be ready for it.
The challenge in homeschooling is being on top of things; even unschooling, which looks very lazy, demands that lock in on your kid’s interests and pay attention to where it’s taking him. If Noah shows an interest in getting serious about writing, I’ll be all over it but I have to pay attention. Still I can do that better than many teachers with 20+ kids and a statewide curriculum; their hands are tied by the demands of those test scores and mine aren’t.
Noah is certainly learning but he may not be learning the same stuff that his peers are in the school a few blocks from here. The tricky thing is realizing that just because it happens in school, learning doesn’t automatically have greater value than learning at home.
This sounds like an obvious concept but it can actually be hard to hold onto. If every child in second grade has been taught, say, how to spell “telephone” and your own kid is homeschooled and can’t spell “telephone,” it can feel pretty worrisome. But just because this week happens to have the spelling of “telephone” in the curriculum doesn’t mean that this is the best — or the only — time to learn how to spell it correctly. A lot of school learning is like this because educational philosophies are — like every other philosophy — fads that come and go. There clearly isn’t just one right way to do things for every single kid. Phonics is great for some children and whole language is better for others — the pendulum keeps on swinging. Likewise, I’m sure that there are children for whom unschooling would not work but if you’re homeschooling, you can customize things.
Now here’s the very most trickiest part of the whole shebang: how do you define success anyway? If a child is successful with his phonics program, does this mean his test scores are the highest? That he enjoys reading the most? What does it mean to successfully educate a child? It’s pretty easy to point to failures — illteracy, inability to function in the real world — but it’s much more difficult to define success. And I personally think that a parent needs to define success for him or herself before they can really put themselves behind any educational philosophy.
Success is going to be different things to different people. If someone really values high test scores, they’re not going to appreciate what unschooling has to offer. Conversely, if someone like me comes along with little respect for test scores, she’s not going to care much about a private school who can boast that they’re the highest scoring district int he state. I don’t think that either approach is wrong — it’s really about different values. So while I may speak negatively about traditional schooling, I appreciate that my take on it isn’t necessarily right; it all has to do with my definition of success. This is why I don’t generally debate whether unschooling is better than homeschooling is better than public schooling, etc. Who’s to say? What does better mean, anyway? Just because I don’t care if Noah gets into an Ivy League school doesn’t mean that Ivy League schools have no value.
Brett and I have talked a lot about all of this and we define success pretty loosely. We want our children to think creatively, to understand the value of books (whether or not they’re big readers), to be able to figure out how to find answers to their questions, and to understand themselves enough to make sound decisions for their lives. While I used to think that I would stop homeschooling if the “right” school came along, I’m starting to realize that the only reasons I would send my kids to school would be if: 1) our finances demanded it; or 2) they really wanted to go. But this loose concept of success is something I come back to again and again as I work to define it for myself and understand it more concretely.
My biggest worry, actually, is that Noah or Madison’s values will end up being wildly different than our own and that they’ll be pissed that they weren’t getting drilled with flashcards from the time they were three.
Oh well. We do the best we can.
Jentle said: What about making sure his education is well-rounded? Is it hard at all to make sure there’s enough… I dunno, science? (Kind of too soon, but what about calculus?) Or does he circle around to most subjects on his own? If (when) he wants to go to college, how will you approach the SATs?
I’ll start with the last bit. If Noah wants to go to college, I hope that we give him the tools to direct himself towards that goal. I trust that if he wants to go, he will find a way to do so. (By the way, here’s an interesting discussion about college after homeschooling.) Many colleges will take homeschooled students with a minimum of fuss so transcripts likely won’t be an issue. Then, too, if Noah wants to go to school and needs to take the SATs, he’lll need to figure out how to do that. He might get a tutor for an area in which he feels weak. He might take a SAT prep class. I’m not sure but I trust that if he wants it, he’ll make it happen.
I never learned calculus so I’m not sure I appreciate the value of it but Brett did so if Noah or Madison want to learn it, he can help them out. But if there was something else — baskset weaving or macrobiology — that we didn’t know how to do, we’d find someone who did and ask them to teach the kids. (That’s one really nice thing about living near a huge university — there are a lot of potential tutors at the ready.) And then, too, most homeschoolers are into learning themselves and like to learn new stuff right along with their kids.
Right now it’s pretty easy to keep Noah’s education well-rounded because he hasn’t really found a passion. I know other children who are so into books or so into math that they only want to focus on that one thing. Depending on how their parents are approaching homeschooling, this may be an issue for the family or it may not be.
Noah actually does some science but it’s baby science. He and Brett built a ramp to learn about friction and momentum; they mixed up vinegar and baking soda; they made a pulley system. Noah really wants a chemistry set for Christmas, too. He’s taking a robot class at the rec center over winter break so it happens that he gets quite a bit of science. But I understand the question wasn’t about science per se but about a diverse learning experience.
There’s a rather flat joke that gets made at homeschooling social events where a kid will do or observe something nifty and the parents will all turn to each other and say, “Well, there’s our homeschool moment of the day.” It’s a joke but it’s true, too. You’re just always kinda looking for learning and it’s amazing how often you see it when you’re looking for it.
I’m trying to think of an example. Hmmm. Ok, I’ve got one.
A month or so ago, our kids were all sitting on the swings at the park after homeschool gym when this huge bird came swooping down near them. They were all craning their heads to see it and I was the one to make that lame joke, “Look! It’s our homeschool momentl!” But it was.
Afterwards, Noah went home and looked the bird up in his bird book and we argued about which bird it was. Noah thought it was something that was geographically impossible so we had to do a lot of research to identify it (I can’t remember what it was now). We got out the map, we checked out web sites. A good time was had by all.
The other kids in the group may not have done anything with it — I didn’t ask their mothers later — because as far as I know, Noah’s the only one into birds. But still, there was this opportunity and for Noah, it worked out to be a homeschooling moment.
His friend, A, on the other hand has learned to read because he so badly wants to get first dibs on the sports section every morning. He’s also learning a lot of math concepts as part of his football obsession.
E’s interest in science has led him — at 7 — to ask for more formal study. Because they do homeschooling with a curriculum (what some people call school at home but more relaxed), he does extra science work as a reward for finishing up the lessons that aren’t as much fun for him.
J wanted to make money, which led him to explore the possibility of breeding hamsters. This get-rich-slowly scheme demanded that he sit down and figure out a business plan, including a budget and several call so local pet stores to figure out demand. (His mother breathed a sigh of relief when he realized it wasn’t worth it.)
What I’m saying, rather poorly, is that while it’s possible for a child not to be well-rounded, generally most kids tend to get enough of the basics through their strong interests. Also, again, while I agree that it’s extremely important that children have opportunities to explore many possible interests and skills, I think it is arguable that well-roundedness is a virtue. I, for one, am not so well-rounded and neither are most grown-ups I know. They know a great deal about what interests them and just enough to get by about the rest. Having open possibilities should, I think, be the main goal and again, I think this is easier to do via homeschooling than it is via regular schooling.
And now it’s 1am and I better hit it. The baby’s been up a lot at night these days and I’m running on fumes.



I think the idea of learning something in order to teach it to another is a bit foreign to some people.
I work at a college with students who are underprepared for college level work. Last week, one of our students was struggling with her Business Math class and was so behind that it didn’t make sense for her to wait the 5 days until the tutor for that subject was in.
My colleagues thought it was bizarre that I taught myself the math and then tutored the student myself.
It’s the initiative and innovation that is lacking in some folks. Thinking of solutions in a creative way is key whether you are in the classroom, home schooling, or unschooling.
Thanks again!
I would actually argue that being well-rounded can be a disadvantage, if taken to an extreme. When I was struggling to figure out what I wanted to pursue in life (the post-high-school “what do I do now?”), I was told by many people that I could do “whatever I wanted to” or “whatever I set my mind to”. But I had never been encouraged to pursue an interest in depth, and so found it hard to chose one thing and then commit to that thing. Knowing ones interests and being able to pursue them is really quite important.
i agree with parodie on the well-rounded question. many of my students at the community college i teach at, and those at the four-year school i used to teach at, had serious difficulty choosing a major, because it was so strange to them to think about what they wanted to learn, as opposed to what they had to learn.
on the other hand, a homeschooled student I had last fall wanted to be an artist. So she took independent art classes, had lots of art books, and spent hours a day practicing her art. She joined a group of female artists, and then they collectively set up an art gallery together. She had no question about what she wanted to do, and it was amazing to watch.
i trust you are an excellent & attentive teacher to noah and will continue to be just that in the future to both noah and madison, so please don’t take my following comments as a criticism of your homeschooling!
but i do think it’s extremely important to make sure that there is an element of “wellroundedness” to an education, beyond pursuing simple interests. i worked in the admissions office of a competitive conservatory theater program for three years, and each year we got one or two homeschooled students auditioning or interviewing for our various programs. on more than one occasion, the prospective student would be quite talented in whatever their field was - acting, let’s say - but extremely underprepared in virtually every other capacity. while we were absolutely willing to accept homeschooled students, and often accepted talented theater students who weren’t the best academic prospects, we were unable to accept two students because it was clear they wouldn’t be able to fulfill the very basic academic requirements for the unversity - basic freshman writing courses were going to be huge labors, as was the one extremely basic math course required. one girl’s parent was very upset about it, and tried to argue us into accepting her, but eventually gave up after a lengthy conversation about how it wasn’t just academics that were at hand, it was a reflection on how successful she’d be able to be at communicating with people in the future regarding work, and her ability to handle the business end of what she was going into.
I agree that well-roundedness can be over-rated…. An overload of options has kept me paralyzed most of my life.
It’s comforting to hear that there are classroom experiences to be had in home schooling… I think maybe the well-roundedness I’m really groping for is in… adult educator influences. Some of the best experiences in my life have been in classes, even ones I would never have thought I’d enjoy, where I encountered a teacher who was truly passionate about their subject and made learning it a joy. The thought of being my kids’ ONLY teacher is terrifying.
Today was my 6 month anniversary working at a daycare/preschool… Which is weird, given how much I have always questioned (and mostly rejected) preschool, and am now starting to question all school.
With the possible exception of Junior Colleges. I adore those places.
But the more I think about my experiences with school…. the more I think that its true value to me was that it got me away from home. It took YEARS for me to finally get that I learn all the time, not just in a classroom.
lots to potentially say, but mostly been said.
i’d just like to expand on something that jentle just said — i hope to teach my kids, and myself, that everything we do/see/read/hear etc. is a potential learning and growing experience. i think that is easier to ‘get’ with homeschooling, but i’d hope that my kids see their formal schooling as just part of their educational experience. raising curious, inquisitive kids has helped me foster that in myself as well.
chanie
OOHHOO (said in that horseshack voice) I have a question
I totally admire you deciding to homeschool, if I were to have children I always said I would do this to. But deslexia runs in my part of the family and I have always worried in the back of my mind, what my child had dislexia and I didn’t even know it? I mean you don’t really start to see dislexia until reading, writing and arthmitic begins and like most people we tend to as children go to great lenghts to “hide” what is wrong. So my question I guess is two fold, 1) how do you know if your child has a learning problem? 2) would having a learning problem make you turn to the pulic school for help?
Thank you so much for being willing to talk with us about your experances! It makes for a great blog and terrific information.
Dawn, thanks for the response. I absolutely agree that it makes a difference what the other options are. The more I’ve read about homeschooling the more I’ve realized how much my own outlook is colored by my very positive schooling experiences - I think I might feel very differently otherwise.
The issue of how to define success is such a tricky one. Academics was such a priority in my family that I have to remind myself that it isn’t for everyone, and it doesn’t need to be. And yet there are (academic) skills that I think are important, and I worry about kids like katie describes who aren’t getting them (not that public school always do such a great job of this either, I realize).
As far as well-roundedness, I think there’s a middle ground here. I am one of the ‘jack of all trades master of none’ folks, and I do think I lose out sometimes by not having a deep passion for any one topic. On the other hand, many of the things I love now were not things I would ever have chosen if I had the choice. I loathed writing essays all the way through college, but boy am I grateful someone pushed me to learn how to write effectively - it’s one of my most useful skills as a research scientist. Oh, and I didn’t like science labs much either; now I use those skills every day. It’s sometimes hard to see the connection between the early skills and where they can take you, and while some of that can be addressed by good teaching I’m not sure that all of it can. And yet you can’t learn everything about everything, and I do think it’s important to have the freedom to pursue your interests…this is a hard balance to find.
Lots of things to think about…thanks for all the interesting ideas.